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Is Nissan’s Leaf Too Sexy for Your Pocketbook?

by Planet Forward | 4:27 pm August 12th, 2010 | 10 Comments »

Electric cars may pimp your green image but are they worth the ride? Planet Forward member and creator of MPG-o-Matic, Daniel Gray, shows us some cool features of Nissan’s electric vehicle. But just how expensive is a zero emissions ride? We do the math! (You can see Dan’s full video here.)

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10 Responses to “Is Nissan’s Leaf Too Sexy for Your Pocketbook?”


  1. I’ve had the honor of driving the Nissan Leaf and can attest to the fact that this is a great car! It’s quiet as a mouse, very quick and nimble and can run on 100% renewable electricity made from sunlight or wind power.

    I haven’t driven a Ford Focus, but I like the looks of the car. Ford will be making an EV version for sale next year. I’ve been promised a test drive in the next few weeks and expect it will rival the Leaf and GM’s Volt in performance.

    I have to question the premise of the question we’re being asked. Would we buy an EV and do we think it would be worth it? If someone is only looking at the cost of the vehicles, maybe the gas car is a bit cheaper. But, that would mean the person making that calculation doesn’t value clean air at all. That person also would not care one whit that the purchase of foreign oil accounts for close to 50% of our foreign debt. Nor would that person place any value on the fact that we are fighting a war over oil, and that if we maintain our singular addiction to oil as the energy source for our auto fleet, we’ll very likely be fighting a much bigger war with China over that resource as the world’s oil fields dry up.

    These issues are extremely important to progressives everywhere. You should reframe the question to ask how much people value a clean environment, a strong economy and our national security. Then ask how much more would they be willing to pay for a car that enhanced all three of those things.

    I can guarantee you that plug-in cars are going to sell as fast as the car makers can build them. The feeling one gets driving a car that runs on sunlight is beyond words. I’ve been doing exactly that for almost 8 years now, and every single person I’ve explained this to is anxiously awaiting their opportunity to get one of their own.


  2. We owned a Prius for a while before selling it on order to use the money to help buy a house. It was a great car and didn’t have too many problems. However, shop time and parts for the car were expensive. So when the warranty was about to run out (100Kmiles or 7-years to my recollection) we sold it, as mentioned.

    That said – I would buy another efficient hybrid (as long as it got 40+ mpg) or even an electric. I’ve said this a thousand times to my friends and I’ll say it here again — When you buy a really efficient hybrid or electric vehicle you’re putting money into the future of the technology. You may not get the best deal for the vehicle you purchased, but there’s far more to it than that. You’re contributing to the advancement of the sector, which is important if we’re going to get prices down where they belong. If people don’t buy them the “economies of scale” won’t kick in, the technology won’t advance, and prices won’t drop to highly competitive levels.


  3. @Paul – the idea of driving an EV charged on sunshine is enticing and I can’t help but ask … How large is the solar collector on your home? How long does it take to charge your EV? How many miles can you drive?

    I’ve been pricing out solar electric systems for my place and even with the substantial government incentives here in NJ, I can’t seem to make a dent in my electric bill, much less afford the system. I’d install a wind turbine or two, but there’s not enough steady wind.

    Our best bang for the solar power buck here seems to be solar hot water, as supplemental heating in the winter. (We use heating oil, unfortunately.)


  4. MPG, It’s takes about 2 Kw of solar to run the average person commute of 30-40 miles.
    Solar is too valueable to charge during the day, let it run the meter backwards and help the utiltiy during peak hours, then charge off peak when they have excess that gets dumped if they can’t sell it. They even have TOD Time Of Day to give you real low cost welectric Off PEAK.

    It’s takes about 10 KwH’s of electric to replace a gallon of imported smelly gas that pollutes. Thtat about a buck of AC to replace a gallon of gas. An electric vehicles is over 80% efficient so it uses energy much better than a gas Internal combustion engine that is only 20% efficient.


  5. Thanks, JStack! It would have to charge off peak … the commuter car would be away from home all day. Our electric bills are over $250 for most months of the year (if I recall correctly). The solar cells are still way too expensive, even when heavily subsidized. I’m about to start in on a biodiesel project … that one I can afford.


  6. MPGomatic, My PV system is 3 kW. I’m pretty conservative with my kWh. Since I drive on that form of energy, I never waste it at home. Any time there is a light on and no one is in the room, it goes off.

    jstack6 is correct about TOU. The solar is making valuable kWh during on-peak periods, so let that offset your daytime usage and build credits that you then use at night. Because of the difference in TOU on-peak and off-peak rates, I “sell” energy during the day for about 30 cents/kWh and buy it back at night for about 10 cents/kWh.


  7. Paul – I’m always turning off lights here, to no avail. Blame it on two teenagers and phantom power drains!

    How many individual panels are there in your system? I just used 1BOG’s Solar Estimate tool to find that it would take a whopping 70 panels to wipe out my crazy expensive NJ electric bill.

    Gross Cost: $73500.00
    - Tax Credit: -$22050.00
    - First-Year SREC Payments: -$11293.13
    Net Cost: $40156.87

    That would be a dandy investment if I had the spare $40K … and wasn’t facing college tuition bills for the kids.

    The payback over time is quite remarkable.

    Are there financial institutions that help average cash-strapped folks make this happen?


  8. @Paul – You mention that your run your car on the solar power you collect from your home. What about people who invest in EVs and plug them into their homes that are powered by coal? In that case, is there really that much of a difference between EVs and combustion vehicles? In other words, is the investment only worth it from both a financial and an environmental standpoint if you also choose to run the car on power gathered from renewables (or choose to charge off-peak)? I’d be interested in hearing your thoughts on this.

    Also, have you looked at Planet Forward’s webisode with Robbie Diamond, President and CEO of the Electrification Coalition? http://community.planetforward.org/video/cars-wired-robbie-diamonds He is hoping for an act that would deploy electric cars into individual communities and offer tax credits and other incentives to help build and create the infrastructure.


  9. @Victoria – Indeed! I’d love to have a Nissan Leaf, Mitsubishi i-MiEV, Ford Focus EV, Fiat 500 EV, or Chevy Volt in the garage, but would NEVER want to fuel it with coal. Your upcoming webisode sounds like a good one. Many thanks for the link.


  10. My apologies, Paul! Good update with reference! Let’s hope it catches on! As I said; my bet’s on Tesla and Karma; they seem to have a lead with design and progress…

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