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Two Birds, One System

by Allan Sanford | 1:07 pm January 6th, 2010 | 8 Comments »

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You can’t conserve what you don’t have. There are dozens of communities and areas throughout America and the world, where not brushing your teeth twice a week won’t solve the lack of fresh water. Agriculture is the largest consumer of water. Farms are shutting down because they cannot irrigate crops. The shortage is not being caused by more people using more water. It’s caused by natural weather cycles that periodically dry up certain areas of the world.

Concern for “fragile ecosystems” should start with getting fresh water to those parts of the country and world, that are being destroyed by drought.

Australia is in a 10 years plus drought. They previously were a major exporter of rice to several Asian countries. They can’t grow rice anymore and have stopped shipping to those countries, where food riots occured.

California is in crisis, and is building sea water desal plants along its coastline, but they are using technology that nails that water to that immediate area. My system will allow the desalinated water to be carried to the entire State, and beyond.

It is fashionable and politically correct to blame these problems on people. (See the global warming scam). This water crisis is basically being caused by Mother Nature. It is solvable by an application of visionary seeing and doing. Not by going without a shower.

Fresh water and clean, cheap renewable energy are arguably two of the biggest problems to be solved. My idea does both.

Lawrence Livermore recently developed a system for desalinating and purifying water. It is a nano technology that uses much less energy than the reverse osmosis systems that are in use in many parts of the world. It’s faster and cheaper.

I have access to a prototype device which functions on the scientific principle of the vortex. A vortex is what happens when a tornado forms, using air, and a vortex can be observed every time you flush your toilet. The air or water enters a cone shaped system, at the wide end, always counterclockwise. As it moves down towards the narrower, smaller end, it speeds up WITHOUT ANY EXTRA ENERGY BEING USED TO SPEED IT UP.

The machine I have seen in action allows water to enter its larger opening and expels it at the other end at greatly magnified force. By placing either a turbine or even a simple paddle wheel into the water stream exiting the machine, a great deal of electricity is generated, far beyond the amount used to move the water into the large end of the device.

This is not conjecture. This is proven science, that goes back at least 100 years to Victor Schauberger, who placed a similar device into a river and astounded observers with the amount of electricity he was able to produce from a slow moving river.

Now we have the “engine” that not only produces cheap, clean electricity, but we have the means to move huge amounts of water from the sea, into a nano desalination system. Using the vortex system, water can now be moved from coastlines all across the country, not only creating new agricultural areas in deserts and similar inappropriate regions, but bringing cheap electricity to those areas, as well.

My thinking is to use the present national electric grid as a template for the water pipes and tunnels.

The business model would be that each utility that presently draws electricity from various parts of that national grid, be given the task of financing, building and maintaining a certain portion of the new water/electricity system.

Now we have the means

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8 Responses to “Two Birds, One System”

On January 3rd, 2010 at 4:52 pm Steve Austin Said:
Technology should not be viewed as a band aid to solve problems with water. Building pipelines all over the nation would cost trillions. Saving and conserving water, controlling population, conservation of resources in general would be better. These pipe dreams of coming up with the new soloution of saving the environment by destroying it is something that seems “feel good” but it is a lot more difficult in reality to come up with an answer that both jump starts the economy and saves the environment. Economic stimulus that works requires a great deal of resources. These win/win scenarios usually do not come without serious environmental consequences.
On January 3rd, 2010 at 5:53 pm Allan Sanford Said:
Mr. Austin apparently did not understand my description of my proposed system, or, more likely, I didn’t explain it properly.

There would be no “environmental consequences” to criss crossing water pipes across America. They could be buried so even birds wouldn’t be able to land on the pipes. If by consequences Steve means bringing cheap fresh water to the dozens of US communities and regions that are presently in crisis mode because of a shortage of usable water, I plead guilty to causing that with my system. I also plead guilty to stopping “water wars” from erupting in the US. They are already starting in California. Another consequence would be that farmland that is presently lying fallow because there is not enough fresh water to irrigate crops would again be growing food. Another consequence would be that desert regions, like our Southwest, could become growing regions. Presently, all they grow are cactus.

Another consequence of adopting the system I propose is it would bring very cheap, green electricity to the entire country. No need to build windmills. Tap off the generating facilities that accompany the pipes. This would have to be done in any regions that are receiving water, making that area self sufficient in both water and electricity.

Steve’s comment on this being a “band aid” is way off base. This is not a band aid. What it is is a cure for the patient, America, that is getting to a terminal state in both water and electricity. No band aid. A cure.

All that is needed to make this system a reality is a few peoploe with a big enough vision of where they want America to be in 10 years. The money to build the system will come from the people and companies that would make a profit on the water and energy. Beneficiaries would be the American people and economy.
On January 8th, 2010 at 4:05 am Steven J Townsend Said:
Mr. Sanford’s comment, “global warming scam,” betrays his sophomoric underlying assumptions.
On January 13th, 2010 at 6:09 pm Russ Bailey Said:
‘The machine I have seen in action allows water to enter its larger opening and expels it at the other end at greatly magnified force. By placing either a turbine or even a simple paddle wheel into the water stream exiting the machine, a great deal of electricity is generated, far beyond the amount used to move the water into the large end of the device.’

Over unity device or scheme?
On January 13th, 2010 at 10:15 pm Allan Sanford Said:
Labeling something “over unity” opens it up to eyerolling and knee jerk comments from people too lazy to do the work. What I’d like you to do, Russ, is, after you read this short comment, please go to your bathroom and flush the toilet. Note that the water comes in at the top of the bowl at a relatively slow rate of speed, going counterclockwise, the direction that tornado winds always go in. You will see that as the water moves down the bowl towards the bottom, narrower part, it “miraculously” speeds up. If you have an electrical device, or batteries pushing that water to go faster, please disconnect them.

Now, answer the question: how the hell can that be?

You can then Google Viktor Schauberger, or vortex technology, and see that this scientific principle has been known for over a century, and whether you call it “over unity,” or peanut butter, it happens every single time you do this simple test.

My water/electricity system employs this proven technology. If you use a little bit of energy to move the water into the larger part of a tube, it MUST come out much faster at the narrow end, able to generate more electricity than went into moving it into the large part of the tube. This happens with air, too. If you Google “Tornado in a can,” you’ll get information on an air application of vortex technology. It is currently being used in a poultry processing factory.

Please let me know how you make out with these excercises. Thanks for your comment.
On January 14th, 2010 at 6:10 am Russ Bailey Said:
You use pressure (a pump) to get the elevation (head) to make a toilet work – to create the vortex. No elevation difference and no vortex. İ guess if you had endless head available you might be on to something! That situation does not exist.

İf you could measure the energy consumed and generated it is a net loss.

İ can search the net for any number of wonder devices and find support for them – that only means there is a lot of foolishness on the net – it proves nothing else.

Search ‘real’ science sites and you won’t find a mention of such things.
On January 14th, 2010 at 1:15 pm Allan Sanford Said:
Head is measurable and follows formulas. That’s not at issue here. Using the toilet example, head ceases to be a factor once a measurable amount of water is introduced into the bowl. That specific amount of water is what must be measured, as far as speed at the top of the bowl measured against speed at the bottom. It increses substantially, without any input of energy or any outside forces. If you measure that, Russ, you will find that it is faster at the bottom than at the top.

A prototype of a machine exists, created as a dredging device, which was tested by the US Navy. I have the results of that testing, as well as a video of it at work. A relatively (measured) amount of compressed air was used to move the water into the tube device, where the vortex created shot the water out over a distance of about 300 feet. It’s quite impressive.

The vortex principle exists with air.gas, as well, and is a much simpler to demonstrate. It eliminates head, etc., which are part of the water equation. Google Frank Polifka, and Tornado in a Can. He is the inventor of a patented vortex machine which shouldn’t work, but does. There are no moving parts in the body of the machine. An air compressor directs air into the big/top of the funnel, moving counterclockwise, as it does in a tornado and your toilet water, and almost any material that is dumped into the top of the machine comes out as a fine, micron sized powder, completely dessicated. The “magic” of the process is the naturally induced increase in the speed of the air from relatively slow at the introducing machine top, to tornado speed at the middle and bottom (narrower) part of the machine.

As I mentioned previously, there is one of these devices in commercial use. A business associate of mine visited the plant and saw it working. If it was not commercially feasible, it wouldn’t be used. I think you’ll be intrigued if you view the videos on the Polifka/Tornado in a Can web sites.
On January 14th, 2010 at 2:15 pm Russ Bailey Said:
Good luck Allan – You certainly are lucky to find something everyone else has ignored for 100 years!

İ’ll take a pass on it – Actually a lot things are done that make no commercial sense! The US government loves to sponsor idiots. There are a million loonies on the net – not just this one.